Steve McVey and Gracewalk Get Saved!

by calebo on March 7, 2008

This is My rebuttal to a book review of Gracewalk by Steve McVey of Gracewalk.org

Note: My comments are in blockquotes where I found them necessary. I’d just like to note that this guy is a lot smarter than me, because I had to whip out the dictionary WAY TOO MANY times when reading this review :)

Book Review

Grace Walk

Steve McVey, Eugene, Oregon: Harvest House, 1995, 188 pp.

The basic thesis of Grace Walk is that Christians should live by grace and not by legalism. Believers do this not by trying to conform to external rules (not even basic disciplines like having quiet times, reading the Bible, or attending church) but by resting in the fact that, as believers, Christ lives in them. On the surface there are parts of this approach that may sound appealing. Certainly all true believers will heartily agree that we are saved by grace through faith and not by works. One might also heartily “Amen!” McVey’s denunciation of any notion of self-sufficiency when it comes to the Christian life.

So far so good :)

With careful examination and reflection, however, the reader will find that McVey…

… has taken some major detours from the classical Biblical doctrines of salvation and sanctification. Unfortunately, McVey’s theology leads in the dangerous direction of antinomianism, hardly the healing Biblical cure for legalism. Rather than offering a robust Biblical critique of the spirit of this age, Grace Walk conforms to the mold of this world by promoting a relativistic Jesus-spirituality that downplays any firm doctrinal commitments about who that Jesus is.

That’s the reviewers opinion and I am going to show you why I don’t think he’s correct about that in just a moment

Grace Walk begins with McVey’s autobiographical account of how he came to this spiritual breakthrough. He describes moving from a successful pastorate in Alabama to a church in Atlanta that he expected successfully to turn around. [1] To his surprise, however, after a year of standard church growth efforts his new church had actually experienced numerical decline: “For the first time in my seventeen years of ministry, a church I served had declined in attendance during my first year. I was appalled!” (13). This “failure” drove McVey to a spiritual breakdown in 1990 and to the realization that he had been relying on his own self-sufficiency. He credits this watershed moment of being spiritually broken with his turn-around. He is less clear in relaying how his church received his new insights and why he chose to leave this pastorate and to begin this para-church ministry.

We might pause here to say that there is much in McVey’s story that is laudable. It sounds as though he, like many other pastors, has come to a genuine sense of dissatisfaction with the corporate and church growth methods that are currently being peddled in the evangelical church market. He is to be admired for sharing how efforts at growing his church numerically were more closely tied to his own ego gratification that to a genuine desire to bring glory to God. The problem rests in what McVey suggests as the appropriate response to the current state of evangelical church life: a decreased emphasis on doctrine and discipline (the latter he falsely labels as “legalism”).

We readily admit that McVey’s book is not put forward as a work of systematic theology. It is written at a popular level and does not seek a sophisticated level of doctrinal precision. It is, however, necessarily a work of practical theology, telling believers how they should think, believe, and act. Therefore, its theological claims must be taken seriously. Our examination of the doctrinal content of Grace Walk will fall into into four general areas: soteriology (the doctrine of salvation); antinomianism (law-lessness); relativism; and exegesis:

Soteriology

The first question we must ask concerns McVey’s views on salvation and the related doctrines of justification, imputation, and sanctification. Soteriology is by far the most complicated and confusing theme in McVey’s book. One of his cornerstone arguments is that when we become believers we possess the spirit of Christ and are, therefore, delivered from any human efforts to achieve godliness. He refers to this as “the exchanged life.” [2]

McVey stresses that as believers we have a new identity in Christ; we are a new creation. The old man has died, and a new man has arrived. These are certainly ideas rooted in the Biblical theme of salvation as union with Christ. The problem comes with some of the things that McVey says alongside this. He implies that when one becomes a believer that the sin nature is completely obliterated. He says, “You [as a Christian] don’t have two natures. The only nature any Christian has is the nature of the Lord Jesus Himself” (56-57). This is the heart of his later arguments about Christians no longer needing to struggle against sin by the development of spiritual discipline.

Steve’s argument is CORRECT sir.

Christians do NOT have to struggle against sin by the development of spiritual discipline.

Number one, we have been made DEAD to sin and alive to Christ (Romans 6:2) How are you supposed to struggle with something that’s dead?

Second, Only faith is pleasing to God, not spiritual discipline (Hebrews 11:6)

And you didn’t come to God, you didn’t receive salvation by the development of spiritual discipline, you came to Him by faith and that’s the way that he intended for you to live your life AFTER salvation–by faith, not by “spiritual discipline”.

Paul says this clearly in Galatians 3:2-3:

I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?”

McVey aknowledges that although Christians now have a new identity in Christ that they do not always act according to their new natures. He fends off the accusation that his view promotes Christian perfectionism: “This in no way means that you will live a life of sinless perfection” (63), but his views seem particularly open to that charge. It also leads him to take some decidedly anti-somatic, dualistic stances. McVey takes a tri-chotomist view of human nature, arguing, “you consist of three parts: body, soul, and spirit” (43). He further offers this rather Platonic assessment: “Someone has said that a person is a spirit who has a soul and lives in a body” (43). He approvingly quotes Bill Gillham: “We know that He [God] would never violate His own admonition by joining into union the old man and the new man inside your earthsuit” (63). [3]

Again, this notion of union with Christ becomes the bedrock for McVey’s argument that believers need not struggle with sin. He exudes, “God never intended for the Christian life to be a struggle” (70). The danger is that McVey is unfortunately departing from classical Biblical understandings of salvation. The Bible teaches that when one becomes a believer, he does indeed enjoy a different standing before God, having been justified by faith and having had the righteousness of Christ imputed to him (see Rom 4:5; 2 Cor 5:21). Nevertheless, he still must struggle with sin (see Rom 7:13-25). In the present age God draws believers into greater holiness in the process known as sanctification that does not end until by grace we enter into the final stage of glorification (see Rom 8:29-30).

Not true.

It is a FINISHED work of Christ at the cross. You are sanctified and holy then and there.

You received EVERYTHING you needed to be sanctified at that moment (II Peter 1:3-4)

Why?

Because you received the very life of Christ, and in doing so you became a partaker of the divine nature (II Peter 1:3-4)

So there is NO process you received it ALL at the moment of salvation.

Onward!

The great Reformers spoke of the believer’s present state as simul iustus et peccator (at the same time both justified and a sinner). Theologian Sinclair Ferguson notes that “the Christian has died to sin in Christ’s dying victory, but sin itself has not yet been destroyed. It remains sin still….” [4]

A MAJOR difference here.

You are NOT both justified and a sinner. We ARE justified, but we are NOT sinners.

“Sinner” is the identity of one who is without Christ. Period.

Although even now, fully justified, as new creations we can still sin. But it doesn’t change who we ARE.

The same way I am a writer by profession… but I can build a birdhouse–and it sure as heck doesn’t make me a carpenter. I can clean my apartment too, but it definitely doesn’t turn me from a writer into a maid.

It appears that McVey, however, confuses the doctrines of justification, imputation, and sanctification. He argues:

“God only imputed righteousness to Old Testament saints, but He imparted righteousness to you when you were saved. Imputing righteousness was a legal verdict, but imparting righteousness is a literal event that happens to New Testament saints. In these days of grace, Christians are literally given the righteousness of Christ. Lot had righteousness credited to him, but you had righteousness created in you when you were saved. Don’t believe the lie that you are a worm. You are a butterfly (51).”

This statement introduces several novel notions. First, McVey implies that salvation is qualitatively different in the Old Testament than in the New Testament. In so doing he seems to deny forensic justification and the imputation of the righteousness of Christ for New Testament believers.

I don’t think Steve means that.

I think the point is that in the old testament the holy spirit would “come upon” a person so they could be empowered to go out and do God’s will… and now we have the indwelling life of Christ, we no longer have to be “filled” with the Holy Spirit… we are already filled.

Second, his argument for “imparted righteousness” sounds very much like the Roman Catholic doctrine of “infused righteousness.” Protestants have typically avoided any blending of justification and sanctification, but McVey deviates from this path. Most significantly, he does so with no appeal to supporting Biblical evidence.

I don’t know what this infused righteousness thing is, but it doesn’t matter.

But how is this without Biblical evidence?

If Christ is righteous, and you become a partaker of the divine nature (2 peter 1:4) by receiving the life of Christ via the Holy Spirit… then how are you not Righteous by default? Sounds like an airtight, Biblical AND logical train of thought to me!

Soteriology is a central issue in the creation of McVey’s practical theology. His stress on the believer’s ability to live above (if not without) sin due to his spiritual union with Christ, however, might be described as a revival of the error of Hymenaeus and Philetus. Paul condemned these two men in 2 Timothy 2:18 for “having strayed from the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past.” In a similar way, one might say that McVey evinces an “over-realized eschatology” by saying that believers possess a status in the present age that allows them to live above sin. The Biblical perspective, in contrast, is that such a state will not be fully realized until the final stage of glorification.

Steve never claims the believer can be sinless… only that sin is no longer the main concern.

Nor should it be. Only Christ and his indwelling righteous nature is the focus.

If I’m on a diet to lose weight, I don’t focus on what I should NOT eat… I focus on what I SHOULD eat to avoid eating those bad foods… and I automatically lose weight. I don’t have to “Struggle with the bad foods” I just focus on what is important.

He’s not saying we’re perfect. He says this many times. Only that there is no longer a sin nature… just our old methods of dealing with life and living out of our own resources (instead of Christ) as a way to meet our needs (this is called flesh, and is sin).

Antinomianism

Second, McVey’s theology suggests antinomian (law-lessness) tendencies. He asserts that if you are a believer whose identity has been totally changed to Christ-likeness then, in truth, you cannot really sin.

I don’t recall ANYWHERE in Steve’s books or teachings has he said a believer “cannot really sin”… and not surprisingly there is no reference here to back this up.

You, therefore, no longer have to fret over breaking God’s law or striving to obey God’s law. In a quote borrowed from Bob George, he states:

“In exactly the same way, God sees you as His new creature in Christ. Although you might not always act like a good butterfly—you might land on things you shouldn’t, or forget you are a butterfly and crawl around with your old worm buddies—the truth of the matter is, you are never going to be a worm again! (48).”

In keeping with this idea, McVey attacks any notion that one must obey God’s moral law. He makes little to no effort even to distinguish between Old Testament law and “the law of Christ” in the New Testament. For McVey Christians are completely free from the law. He describes all efforts to obey divine law as “legalism,” since “any approach to Christian living that focuses on keeping rules as a means of experiencing victory or growing spiritually is legalism” (80).

In response we might point out that Biblical Christianity certainly does not encourage slavish legalism. Jesus was particularly harsh on the Pharisees on this matter! It would be wrong, however, to say that Jesus did not demand obedience to divine commands. In John 14:21 Jesus says, “He who has my commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me.” The Bible does not encourage legalism, but it does encourage discipline and obedience. Discipline appears to be the missing word in McVey’s theological system. Authentic Biblical discipline is not legalism.

This could more accurately be said, “When actively loving Christ… you automatically keep his commandments…” because it’s the overflow of love and the relationship you have for Christ.

It doesn’t work the other way around. Just by keeping his commandments doesn’t mean you really love God. The pharisees kept ALL his commandments yet their hearts were FAR from God.

Authentic biblical discipline IS legalism. A relationship with Christ will automatically fulfill those “disciplines”, while those disciplines will never get you closer to God.

We might note one example cited by McVey as he makes his argument. He describes a couple in his church who had struggled with consistency in attending the church’s meetings and had made a commitment not to miss a single Sunday meeting of the church for one year. McVey’s response: “I cringed inside as I listened” (80). He reflects: “It is certainly good for Christians to attend church, but they turned church attendance into a self-imposed law” (81). The question one would like to ask McVey is how he understands Hebrews 10:24-25, when the inspired author admonishes: “And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another and so much more as you see the Day approaching.” In fact, it appears that McVey will have a difficult time with the Bible’s constant exhortations, admonishments, and encouragements to believers to live disciplined, godly lives. Somehow McVey decided that his task as a Pastor was to liberate this couple from their desire to obey the spirit of Hebrews 10:24-25!

Steve isn’t bashing church or saying it’s not good to go to church or not important.

He’s using the example of how one can take something that is good (going to church and fellowshipping with other Christians) and turn it into a self imposed law to lead to frustration and struggle and unnecessary condemnation in their Christian life.

McVey’s approach also encourages not the confrontation and rooting out of sin, but the ignoring of it. Again, he exudes, “We don’t experience victory over the flesh by being preoccupied with it” (97). But what of Paul’s admonish in Romans 8:13 that believers “mortify the deeds of the body” (KJV)? McVey does not seem to take seriously enough the enduring power of sin and man’s sinful human tendencies even beyond his conversion.

Glad he used that verse, here’s a very literal translation from the message translation of the Bible that says perfectly exactly what STEVE was saying:

“So don’t you see that we don’t owe this old do-it-yourself life one red cent. There’s nothing in it for us, nothing at all. The best thing to do is give it a decent burial and get on with your new life. God’s Spirit beckons. There are things to do and places to go!”

Paul and Steve are saying that we are dead to sin, and shouldn’t be paying attention to it–there’s nothing in it for us.

At one point in the book, McVey does acknowledge that his theological system holds antinomian tendencies. He reflects: “As I began living my Christian life under grace, I wondered if I should be careful not to get out of balance with grace. I questioned whether or not pure grace might encourage me to sin” (117). In the end, however, he concludes that his “Grace Walk” has done more to motivate him “to live a godly lifestyle than a thousand laws could ever do” (117). This has obviously been a soft spot for McVey. On his website he offers a link to frequently asked questions, including “Does grace lead to a lawless attitude in the Christian life?” in which he strongly denies antinomianism. Still, a close reading of Grace Walk raises grave questions in this area.

It IS anti-law in the sense that you don’t need it.

The purpose of the law is to make sin increase (Romans 5:20) so that you can see you’re never going to meet God’s standards of Godly living by your own power… and it drives the person to Christ and seek him out as his source of life not his own self-effort. (Galatians 3:23-24)

And yes, love motivates better than the law.

Relativism

Third, Grace Walk demonstrates a pronounced tendency toward relativism. Here more than anywhere else McVey seems to reflect the spirit of the age in which we live. In this vein, McVey titles one chapter “The Vice of Values.” For McVey, rules and values are a great evil, because they are merely social constructs. He states that “[e]very society defines right and wrong according to its own standards, and people’s lives are judged on the basis of conformity to those standards” (107). According to McVey, “God is not interested in systems of living. He is interested in relationships” (105).

McVey then draws this amazing relativistic conclusion: “The definitive question in the life of the believer is not, ‘Would it be wrong for me to do this?’ but, ‘Am I abiding in Christ at this moment?’” (109). Seeking shock value, he states, “I highly recommend that you give up your Christian values” (110). He adds, “Now I don’t measure my life by right and wrong. My aim is simply to abide in Christ. By doing that, issues of right and wrong become incidental” (111). Amazingly, McVey argues that “the desire to live right is an improper goal for the Christian” (113). Later, in a parable about “Mr. Law” and “Mr. Grace,” he concludes:

How can you enjoy your relationship to Jesus if you are always checking the rules to find out what you can and can’t do? He doesn’t care about rules. Right and wrong are incidental to Him. He loves you and wants you to enjoy His love and then Him right back! (117).

This is rank “situation ethics” and is at complete odds with the moral absolutes of Scripture. It places a subjective evaluation of one’s experience of Jesus over fixed moral law drawn from the Bible. My question for McVey would be this: Does your ethic then allow a believer, under certain circumstances, to procure an abortion, as long as she feels she is being true to her relationship to Christ? To engage in homosexual practice? To commit adultery? Biblical Christianity asserts that the prime question is, in fact, “Would it be wrong for me to do this, because it violates the unchanging Word of God?”

It’s not at complete odds with scripture and makes perfect sense.

IF your “moral absolute of scripture” is to be followed irreverent of the setting in time and the society then I hope that you don’t allow women to speak up in Church because Paul said it was a disgrace for them to do that (1 Corinthians 14:34-35).

For whatever reason, this was a policy that was useful for the church in Corinth at that period in time… But I think you probably allow women to speak up in your Church now don’t you?

Steve’s view to instead see if you’re living in Christ will keep you out of trouble a LOT more in ANY society than trying to live strictly by any Biblical laws (which may not apply to you or I today)!

Given his rejection of moral absolutes, it comes as no surprise that McVey does not offer a high view of the authority of Scripture in the believer’s life. It seems that all propositional truth is suspect in McVey’s sight. He exudes, “It was only after I began to understand grace that I realized that God never intended that we should live by the Bible. We are to live by His life” (137). But, pray tell, how do we know of Christ’s life apart from the Bible?

HMMM… Paul certainly did an okay job at knowing Christ’s life…

So did John… so did every other early, founding Church fathers and early evangelists—and they didn’t even have a “Bible”.

They just were empowered by the life of Christ in them… and stayed true to their relationship with Christ and wrote letters back and forth to each other… which became—SURPRISE! The Bible.

 

Just as he tells the anecdote of the couple who foolishly wanted to make a commitment to disciplined church attendance, McVey also includes an anecdote about a poor soul named “Mark” who wanted to begin a consistent plan of Bible reading but, thankfully, McVey disabused him of the notion that he needed “his neat list of commandments” (129). Just think what he could have done with poor Timothy when Paul exhorted him “to devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture” (1 Tim 4:13 NIV)!

Once again this is NOT about Bible reading.

Just like the earlier example was NOT about church attendance.

It IS once again an example of somoene taking a spiritual practice and binding themselves with it like a self imposed law.

When we create these self imposed laws around what should be a joyous occasion to interact with our heavenly father we put undue pressure, constraints, condemnation, and basically BURDENS on ourselves. This isn’t the way the Christian life is supposed to be lived.

Jesus said His yoke was easy and His burden was light remember!

In this relativistic vein, McVey also stresses that the believer is to be completely non-judgmental. He reflects, “One walking in grace accepts people on the basis of unconditional love” (158). He does defer that this does not mean “blanket approval for all behavior” but insists that “grace allows one to accept and love others regardless of their actions. Legalists set out to change what people do. Grace looks beyond what others do and affirms them for who they are, encouraging them to live up to their identity” (158). Unfortunately, this sounds more like modern pop psychology than Biblical truth. Jesus forgave the woman taken in adultery, but he also told her to go and sin no more (John 8:11). In other words, by McVey’s definition, Jesus was a legalist, since he told the woman to change what she was doing as part of changing who she was becoming. This necessarily leaves no room for church discipline, since “[c]ondemnation of a believer never comes from God” (159). Too bad Paul did not have Grace Walk before he told the Corinthian believers, “Expel the wicked man from among you” (1 Cor 5:13 NIV) and hand him “over to Satan” (v. 5).

Jesus WAS completely non-judgmental.

He LOVED those people who were considered sinners, talked with them, ate with them (so much so they called Jesus a drunk! Matthew 11:19)

When he said now go and sin no more, he didn’t say you’re forgiven because you’re going to go and sin no more… it’s like it should be with our lives. You’re no longer that person who is a sinner… so why are you still fooling with it? Just leave it alone, put it away, don’t do it anymore that’s not you…

Relativism also guides McVey’s thoughts on doctrine and Christian fellowship. Not surprisingly, he downplays doctrine: “To say that you are a Christian doesn’t simply refer to the particular set of doctrinal beliefs you hold. It doesn’t just refer to the way you live. It points to what you are at the deepest level of your being” (68). Even churches, according to McVey, should not be evaluated by their doctrine. He concludes: “If one insists on evaluating modern church life on the basis of right and wrong, then all Christian churches are right and all of them are wrong. In other words, no church or denomination is totally right or totally wrong” (161). Churches must not allow “superfluous dogma” to conceal the truth (161)! A grace perspective on church “doesn’t demand that we all agree on every detail of faith and practice” (161).

The problem, of course, is that McVey’s thoughts put the purity of the church’s doctrine and witness in jeopardy. According to his system, can orthodox believers have fellowship with Mormons? Jehovah’s Witnesses? What about with mainline Episcopalians when they uncritically approve of homosexual behavior and ordain unrepentant homosexuals to ministry? Should we overlook this as mere “superfluous dogma,” a mere disagreement on arcane details of “faith and practice”? Can we have fellowship with any church or denomination as long as they are willing to call themselves “Christians”?

As long as the basics are there, that’s the key…

There’s far too much squabbling going on in churches over issues of doctrine when the real truths that matter are:

  1. God came to save the world
  2. Salvation is by faith, not works
  3. Likewise living your life in Christ is by faith not works

There are always going to be differences in opinion over the other little things that don’t really matter all that much.

Plus, every Christian is at a different level of maturity and understanding of it all anyways…

The real concern is looking to Christ as your life and guidance– NOT to any individual Church’s doctrine!

Exegesis

The final area of contention I had with this book has to do with its lack of exegetical foundations. Again, in fairness, we recognize that Grace Walk is not a commentary, nor does it intend to present detailed exegesis of Scripture. Nevertheless, all Christian theology must be based on proper handling of the Bible. We are to rightly divide the word of truth (2 Tim 2:15).

This book is woefully lacking in this area. Let me point to one particularly glaring example found on pp. 57-58. McVey offers here an interpretation of Galatians 2:20 which begins, “I have been crucified with Christ.” In this interpretation he makes this confusing statement:

When Paul said that he had “been crucified with Christ,” he spoke of a past event. The Greek word translated “crucified” is in the present tense, indicating that it was a historical event which continues to have present implications (57-58).

The problem with this analysis is that the Greek word for “I have been crucified” is not in the present tense but is—as the English translation clearly indicates—in the perfect tense. Such sloppy handling of the Word of God leads one to doubt the credibility of the foundations on which the rest of McVey’s argument is built.

I’ll admit it.

This is above my head, I know NOTHING about Greek.

(My dad can read it though, so I’ll see if I can’t get this cleared up)

As I read this book I found Scripture passages repeatedly coming to mind that offer direct contradiction to McVey’s arguments. Let me cite one example. In his chapter on “The Vice of Values,” McVey makes a point of saying that Christians should not engage in “constant self-examination” (112).

Steve’s point taken out of context once again.

I believe he’s trying to say that the way to true victory in living a Godly life is in constant “Christ evaluation” if I may. Focusing on God and Christ and what he’s doing in your life and your relationship to him… instead of once again keeping track of your rights vs. wrongs list and how many sins you committed today, self-imposed laws made out of spiritual disciplines… etc

Besides Paul supports Steve’s view in Romans 8:5-8:

“Those who think they can do it on their own end up obsessed with measuring their own moral muscle but never get around to exercising it in real life. Those who trust God’s action in them find that God’s Spirit is in them—living and breathing God! Obsession with self in these matters is a dead end; attention to God leads us out into the open, into a spacious, free life. Focusing on the self is the opposite of focusing on God. Anyone completely absorbed in self ignores God, ends up thinking more about self than God. That person ignores who God is and what he is doing. And God isn’t pleased at being ignored. (message translation)”

There rushed to my mind, however, Scriptures like Paul’s admonitions that before the Lord’s Supper a man should examine himself (1 Cor 11:28); that we should work out our faith with “fear and trembling” (Phil 2:12); and that we should watch our “life and doctrine closely” (1 Tim 4:16 NIV). In like manner, McVey’s round rejection of all disciplined obedience as legalism, brought the sharp contrast to mind of Paul’s encouragement to Timothy to “exercise yourself toward godliness” (1 Tim 4:7). The margins of my copy of McVey’s book are filled on nearly every page with contrasting scriptural cross-references that deny McVey’s assertions. In the end, I did not find that this book was true to the spirit and themes of sacred Scripture.

Another thing that popped into my head as I was reading this is that to understand scripture you have to understand it in context, who was writing it, who it was written to, what was going on at the time to warrant the writing, etc…

And how much this review brings up 1 Tim 4… lets look at it in context shall we?

First off you have Paul who used to be the strictest Pharisees and legalist of them all (Philippians 3:5-6) probably still has some old flesh patterns of being “extra sincere” at lots of Bible disciplines like reading the word, etc.

And this is the formation of the early church he’s all fired up to spread the word of Christ, talking to Timothy a young guy so he keep telling Tim to stay in the word a read and study… he’s so focused on this because Timothy is young and he’s going to be teaching older people about the truth of the gospel and they are certainly going to question his authority and knowledge because of his age and the simple fact he is presenting a gospel message totally contrary to anything the jews or gentiles had heard before.

So it’s absolutely necessary for him to be VERY well versed in scripture as that is what is going to make these people listen to him. (1 Timothy 4:12-16)

This review has a lot of references to the Bible out of context… reading the Bible in context is important to get the true, literal meaning of scripture… VERY important.

As this review has made clear, I found much in McVey’s Grace Walk to be spiritually dangerous. It offers a deformed view of soteriology and sanctification that does not do justice to the believer’s continuing battle with sin. It abandons the Bible’s clear call to discipline and godliness. It may well lead one to lawlessness. It reflects a relativistic perspective that sees no clear rights and wrongs. It is based on flimsy exegesis.

All the reviewers opinion and I think I rebutted most of these points throughout my rebuttal.

In many ways I think the Grace Walk approach reflects the baby boomer shaped values of its author (born 1954). It is in many ways theology for the self-indulgent, evangelical baby boomer, justifying his jettisoning of basic Christian disciplines, commitments, and expectations. He need not busy himself with such things as committed church attendance, membership, Scripture reading and memorization. He also need not judge others. By the way, the converse is also true: No one has the right to judge or evaluate him.

I think it does reflect the author… but not his baby boomer values.

It reflects his REAL life experience with what Christianity has become today!

Just like me and everyone else who has seen the transforming power of the grace message.

We all know what it’s like to think “is this all there is to the Christian life?” because we’re burnt out from trying to be a “good Christian” when all God wants is for us to rest in his sufficiency.

McVey seems to believe that the major problem facing the church today is legalism. But when I survey the modern church landscape this hardly seems to be our problem. The basic problem we face is not low spiritual self-esteem. It is not that we are just way too hard on ourselves and demand too much from ourselves spiritually. It is not that our churches are overly focused on right doctrine. Our problem is not legalism but hubris, libertinism, and rebellion against Biblical standards.

Yeah. Well, you’re entitled to your opinions and I disagree…

I think if you read this far you probably realize that though :)

One thing is I don’t have to worry about changing this guys mind, the law is designed to tire you out until you come to the end of your self-sufficiency and start to seek Christ as the source of your life.

The major trouble with Steve McVey’s Grace Walk, is a faulty understanding of grace. We do not understand the grace of God until we understand his wrath (a concept that is completely absent from the pages of Grace Walk). The non-judgmental, unconditional, man-centered “grace” that McVey describes is distant from the Biblical presentation of God’s sovereign and free grace. It is closer to what Dietrich Bonhoeffer described as “cheap grace.”

I think I’ll let Steve step in and handle this idea that this is just “cheap grace”… take it away Steve!

““If you tell people that, you are teaching cheap grace!” I’ve been told. (I usually respond by telling them that it’s even worse than they think and that I don’t teach cheap grace. I teach free grace.)

I’m amazed at the reaction from some people when they hear me say that it isn’t possible to out-sin the grace of God. You’d think that would be the kind of good news that would cause anybody to at least sigh a sigh of great relief if not literally jump up and down with joy. But that often isn’t the case. To the contrary, I’ve been accused of “being soft on sin” and encouraging people to have a careless attitude toward sins in their own lives.

Tell Christians that they are free from religious rules and watch how some people will grimace in pain like they’ve suddenly been struck down with kidney stones. As long and as hard as most of us have tried and yet have failed miserably at living up to the demands of religious rules, you’d think we would all be thrilled to hear this news. To the contrary, some shriek in fear, “You’re giving people a license to sin!”

Grace – it’s scary to the religious mind set. The self-righteous religionist is always afraid of how teaching grace might have the wrong effect on somebody else. Jesus was “full of grace and truth” and He didn’t seem to worry about that sort of thing. In fact, He seemed to go out of His way to offend the hyper-sensitivities of the self righteous religious crowd.

It was Jesus who told the story of the prodigal son and had the Father smother the boy in hugs and kisses before the pig-manure-covered boy could utter a word about being sorry. Jesus didn’t seem concerned that He might give the idea that begging for forgiveness isn’t a prerequisite for actually getting that forgiveness. Couldn’t His story cause people to accuse Him of being soft on sin?

It was Jesus who told the story of the laborers who all received the same pay check at the end of the day, despite the fact that some had worked all day while others had shown up just before quitting time. Jesus didn’t seem to consider that His story might cause some to take the matter of acting responsibly too lightly.

It was Jesus who had it be the good Samaritan who helped the wounded man by the roadside when the churchmen wouldn’t give him a second glance. To cast the story that way was equivalent to a modern day parable where it would be an HIV positive gay man who was the hero while the Sunday School teacher is made to look bad. Jesus didn’t seem to be very concerned about reversing who came off looking like he had the sterling character while the likely candidate looked like a self-absorbed jerk.

Grace – it just doesn’t fit with what seems fair. It doesn’t seem fair because it isn’t fair. That’s why it’s called grace. Prodigals are thrown parties without a single promise from them that they intend to do better. Workers who straggle in at the last minute reap the same benefit as those who were faithful from the start. The social rejects of society get to play the role of the Christ-figure in the Jesus-stories while the religious are made to look bad.

Make no mistake about it – many in the modern church would have been angry with Jesus if they had been there and heard Him speak. He didn’t fit the religious mold then and neither does He fit it today. He doesn’t care what the self-righteous think about His bizarre expressions of grace. (Bizarre because grace doesn’t fit the expectations of the religious mind.)

Jesus cares about people. He cares enough that He came to break down the bars of religious oppression whether it is found in the brutal dungeons of the Muslim world or in the respectable “Club Fed Prisons” of Evangelical and Charismatic congregations. He has come to set the captives free, not only from sin but from ruthless religion too.

Grace is good news whether we like it or not. Grace embraces and includes us all – the unrighteous and the self-righteous. The sooner we accept that fact, the sooner we can become happy about grace.”

 


Notes:1. One of the quirks of McVey’s book is that although he freely shares the details of this spiritual crisis he never directly identifies the churches he served. He is no more forthcoming on his website. One might read the book and still be left unsure of his confessional background. Is he a Methodist? A Baptist? A Disciple of Christ? His ministry’s website does note that he is a graduate of Luther Rice Seminary, so we might surmise that he is Baptist. Of course, McVey also makes clear in the book that he has moved beyond denominationalism since, “no church or denomination is totally right or totally wrong” (161). [back to main text]2. More light is shed on McVey’s doctrinal background on his website. In the FAQ section he answers the question “What is the grace walk?” with reference to those whom he claims as his spiritual heirs:

Through the years various other believers have described the grace walk with other terms such as: The Exchanged Life (Hudson Taylor); The Abiding Life (Andrew Murray); The Crucified Life (L. E. Maxwell); Life on the Highest Plane (Ruth Paxson); The Interior Life (Hannah Whitall Smith); The Normal Christian Life (Watchman Nee); The Victorious Christian Life (Alan Redpath, Ian Thomas), and The Miracle Life (David Needham).

In other words, McVey bases his views on spirituality on a tradition of evangelical mysticism. It is interesting to note that in Grace Walk McVey makes mention of his involvement with another Atlanta based ministry called Grace Ministries International (pp. 65-66). This ministry’s website contains a FAQ that is nearly identical to McVey’s.

It should be noted that McVey’s website also includes a doctrinal statement that includes the standard evangelical shibboleths like “inerrancy.” It is ironic that the BGAV, which has lambasted leaders in the Southern Baptist Convention for upholding inerrancy, have invited a purported inerrantist to speak at its annual meeting. As we shall see, however, McVey’s claims to inerrancy are suspect. As the Evangelical Theological Society has learned in recent year with the controversy over “open-theism” one may give lip service to inerrancy and still arrive at unorthodox theological conclusions. [back to main text]

3. In the book’s opening acknowledgement, McVey states up front that he is “especially grateful to Bill Gillham.” Gillham also wrote Grace Walk’s Forward in which he commends McVey for showing us “that God’s plan is for you and ‘the Spirit of Christ’ to cohabit our earthsuit and become dear, intimate friends as together we experience victory over the world, the flesh, and the devil” (10). Gillham is a former psychology professor and leader of Lifetime Guarantee Ministry (see gospelcom.net/lifetime). He has apparently had a strong influence in the formation of McVey’s “exchanged life” spirituality.

I for one am troubled by this notion of the body as an “earthsuit.” The Bible, unlike the sacred writings of many dualistic religions, does not have a negative view of human embodiment. Pre-fall creation is pronounced good (Gen 1:31). Jesus himself takes on flesh (John 1:14). The doctrine of the resurrection proclaims that the body (and not just the spirit) will be transformed (see 1 Cor 15:35-49). [back to main text]

4. Sinclair Ferguson, The Christian Life: A Doctrinal Introduction (Edinburgh, U.K./Carlisle, Penn.: Banner of Truth Trust, 1981): 144. This book is recommended as a Biblically balanced corrective to McVey’s theology. [back to main text]

Jeffrey T. Riddle Pastor, Jefferson Park Baptist Church

Note: I didn’t feel the need to rebutt any of his notes/references section :)

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Mark Vilen 05.11.08 at 6:46 am

I loved the rebuttal to the writer’s book review of GraceWalk. I have read most of Dr. McVey’s books, and they have transformed my life. When I teach grace to others, I get accused of similar things as Steve, such as teaching passivity and license. Nonsense! Thanks for writing wonderful rebuttals. I would only disagree with you saying the book reviewer was smarter than you . . . it’s the other way around!

Mark Vilen

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calebo 05.13.08 at 4:59 am

Mark!

Glad you liked it my man…

I wouldn’t say I’m smarter than this guy though, I’m simply allowing myself to be led by God :)

With Love,
Caleb

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Carrie 05.13.08 at 6:24 pm

Someday this guy may find himself in a heap with tears streaming down his face just like Steve did. Thanks for the great rebuttal Caleb. I needed it this morning because it seems like many are going out of their way to sabatoge the message of grace, and that weighs on me. I am so thankful for guys like Steve and Wayne Jacobsen who have helped me see that this journey and God’s pleasure in me does not depend on what I do (or my intellect!)

Carrie

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calebo 05.13.08 at 6:50 pm

Carrie, you’re very welcome :)

You’re right, this guy will continue to live out of his own self-effort until God allows him to be defeated and defeated again until he is broken…

That IS the purpose of the law, scripture says that the law is a “cruel schoolmaster”, the purpose of which is to lead us to Christ.

With Love,
Caleb

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Linda 05.18.08 at 7:43 am

I just came across this site, and your very well written rebuttal, and wanted to let you know that it’s very obvious that you have “died to self, and realize that it is ALL OF HIM, and NONE OF YOU!” I’ve read many of Steve’s books and articles the past 20 years, as well as Bob George “People to People,” and Major Ian Thomas, who just recently passed away at over 90 yrs of age. They all say the same thing you said…”the Lord will bring you to the end of yourself.” J. Hudson Taylor, a missionary who went to save China for the Lord found that very thing out. He got there, and fell into all kinds of sin…finally crying out, “what’s wrong with ME?” He thought he had something to DO with the equation. He did not. The LIVING Christ simply wanted to use his body (Christ’s temple) to reach China through him. He wanted HIM out of the way…so that His image (Christ’s image) could be seen through him… He didn’t need Hudson’s plans…Hudson’s rules; Hudson’s anything… Christ is ALIVE….He simply wanted to LEAD Hudson, and all Hudson had to do was “abide” (believe…live by FAITH in Christ who lived in Him….and loved Him… and died for him.) Hudson thought, “how can I be a Christian and do those things?” We forget that the original sin on Adam and Eve was “unbelief” in what God told them NOT to do. The did not TRUST God when He told them not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Jesus said the WORLD’S sin is “unbelief in Him.” God does not want our ability…He simply wants our AVAILABILITY….He will provide the strength. It is GOD who is at work in us…Paul said He could do all things THROUGH CHRIST WHO STRENGTHENED HIM. He said….”for him to live IS CHRIST!” He didn’t see HIMSELF as alive doing anything….His eyes were on Christ, and HIS ABILITY. His LIFE in him.

I, too, have been accused of being antinomian…and light on sin, when I tell people “It is finished!” (Which is what Jesus said on the cross). People just don’t understand that salvation is not just getting your sins forgiven….it’s RECEIVING LIFE….Christ’s life, and being raised from SPIRITUAL death. The cross reconciled mankind….the resurrection is what saves a man. Christ became a LIFE-GIVING SPIRIT…(I Corinthians 15:45). John 20:21-22 you see the RISEN CHRIST giving His Holy Spirit to the apostles.

Romans 5:10 says we were “reconciled” while yet ENEMIES…through the DEATH of Christ….much more, shall we be saved by HIS LIFE….” He is the resurrection and THE LIFE…he came that we might have LIFE…and have it abundantly….He’s the way, the truth, and THE LIFE…. being reconciled does not mean all men are saved….but God is no longer angry, and has made a way for men to RECEIVE HIS LIFE WITHIN THEM. The only sin that will be attributed to mankind will be the REJECTION of the RESURRECTED LIFE of Christ within them. Colossians 1:27 says, “Christ IN YOU…your only hope of glory!” It was only ONE SIN that caused Adam and Eve to throw mankind into darkness…w/o God’s life inside of them. They became unclothed….with the Spirit of God no longer residing in them, reflecting God’s IMAGE. I Cor. 5:19 says “God was in Christ RECONCILING THE WORLD to Himself… NOT COUNTING THEIR SINS AGAINST THEM.” God is not counting mens sins against them….now He says, “come to me, all who are weary and heavy laden, and I will give you REST….” God is not mad….COME ALIVE, let Christ who is standing at the door of your heart… come within….and He will give LIFE to your dead spirit. This is the GOOD NEWS!

Thank you for your wisdom Caleb. I felt very blessed reading your maturity in Christ. Some do not mature, esp. if they’re still living under the OLD covenant, as the original writer here seems to be doing. He’s living under the JEWISH law…that wasn’t even given to the gentiles. Hence Paul’s words in Romans where he says, “or is God the God of the Jew only?” If he was the God to the Jew only, the gentiles would have been forever lost….if it’s the law that saves….only the Jews would have been saved. As Paul writes in Ephesians… the Gentiles were far from God…without the Covenant. The Jews called them dogs….far from God.

Linda
Arizona

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calebo 05.18.08 at 5:04 pm

Linda,

What can I say?

Except of course… I Love you :)

Hope you check out the rest of the site.

With Love,
Caleb

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Steve Sholin 05.26.08 at 7:10 pm

I have only recently become aware of the McVey controversy. On listening to one of his sermons I believe it was the “Coming Revolution” I was stirred up by the broad strokes of his statements and the convienent manipulation of scriptures to prove his points.

The concern that I have is proven out by the only comments listed to your rebuttal and the rebuttal itself.

Although I do not want to engage myself in such vain arguments and the devisive and exploitive nature of Mr. McVey. He will lead many to perdition if they listen to him rather than read the scriptures and thereby gain the knowledge that will lead them to the completion of their salvation. The scriptures admonish that those who are spiritual should correct those that are in error.

For example, in your rebuttal you use 2 Peter Chap. 1 verses 3&4 as proof that “we are sanctified and holy then and there.” If that were true then why did Peter continue writing verses 5-11 saying “for this very reason giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love” and so on and so on. Read every verse of the rest of the book and you will also receive admonition about following false teachers who “by covetousness will exploit you with deceptive words”

After going through Mr. McVeys website his goal seems quite apparent, Buy my books! He uses shock value to stir up and create controversy in order to draw attention to himself and his theology, (which is not really his own) which will be readily received by unlearned people who will not bother to read the words that Jesus himself spoke and Paul and others wrote for our instruction and admonition.

I will only make one other point to the person making the rebuttal. You made the statement that the diciples did not even have a bible but that they just had Jesus. You even state that Paul walked in the same thing. The truth is that the reason that Paul was brought to salvation was specificly because of all the training he had in the only bible that existed before Christ, the Old Testament.
It was his extensive training in that book that allowed him to reveal to the jews first and then to the gentiles the mysteries that had previously been hidden.

In essence he continued the work that Jesus began by correctly presenting the KINGDOM of GOD not as man interpreted it at that time but how God had presented it from the beginning! Nothing has changed the New Testament only confirms the Old Testament and clarifies the mysteries spoken of by the prophets.

If you want to learn about grace and sin read ALL of Romans Chapters 6,7, and 8. Paul through the revelation of the Holy Spirit does a much better job than McVey and whatever spirit is in him.

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Phil 07.20.08 at 3:27 pm

Rom6-8 (along with Galatians)is a thorough explication of the gospel McVey sets forth-Rom 6v14 is the subject in a nutshell. The new Covenant really is new. Would that more of those who purport to be wise would become fools so that they might gain Christ for life,and make themselves conspicuous by their fruit,rather than their lack of it. I am learning,but I think I’m coming to the end of ‘Christianity equals a bare epistemology and ‘ethic”,for Christ himself in us…which right doctrine etc reveals.

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Danny Marks 08.28.08 at 2:19 pm

In 1982 I read ” How to live the Victorious Life” by the Unknown Christian. I went from knowing about God to knowing Him. My life was changed drastically. I shared with everyone I new about Jesus Christ and Him being real and living in me. Of course most people thought I was nuts…… I shared my testimony to the pastor of the Southern Baptist Church I was attending , so thankful that he had taught me so much for the past six months about salvation and sanctification and justification, he was at the time teaching at the Southern Baptist Seminary (cemetary). I believed that he would jump with joy at my “confession of faith”, my “born again experience”, but to my surprise and horror, he started yelling at me and proceeded in asking me to leave “his” church. The following Sunday he addressed the congregation and asked them to pray for me and my family because I had some really weird and strange ideas. We left that church and moved to another “spirit-filled” church and after 2 years we found out that the pastor, who had a beautiful wife and children, was having a homosexual relationship with another man. We left that church and I started looking around for another spirit-filled church and found one I thought was great, when after 6 months we discovered that he was committing adultery with the piano player who was another man’s wife. We left that church and moved 30 miles out of the city and I stopped going to church. That was 25 years ago.
I started going back to church about 5 years ago, but I am very cautious about who I associate and trust. I am very cautious about who I share my testimony. The last 25 years have not been easy. I have only met 1 other person who understands the Victorious Life (exchanged life) as Hudson Taylor called it. The advent of the internet has helped me somewhat. After searching exhaustively on the internet I discovered that Charles Trumbull was the ” Unknown Christian” and that the “Keswick Movement” was the start of “the exchanged life teaching” in our lifetime. As with the Keswich Movement there were many critics. I finally came across ” The Grace Walk” by Steve Mcvey, I purchased it on Amazon along with the ” Grace Walk Experience” and have worked thru week 3. Whatever I lost 25 years ago, is back. I have tried to understand and analyze what happen to me back then and I have tried to regain whatever I had, but I just couldn’t understand, I couldn’t put my finger on it until now. If you truly believe that when you are “Born again” that Jesus comes in and takes control of your life, that He is your life, then you will have “Heaven on Earth”. Everything and everyone in this world including all the demons in hell will try and prevent people from believing and understanding ” The Exchanged Life”. You have to come to the end of yourself like Steve did, then you have to experience it, to believe it. Then everyone will think your nuts, but it doesn’t matter because the Creator of the Universe will live inside of you. You will know Him, and you will know how much He loves us all, and you will do everything you can to hold on to Him, but He will never leave you or forsake you because He is your life now, you can never go back to that old life, you have been changed forever. Thank you Steve Mcvey for helping me find my Faith again….for helping me to understand again…” The Exchanged Life”. If you guys know of any Churches in the Louisville Kentucky, southern Indiana Area that teaches and believes in “The Grace Walk” please let me know. God Bless you all.

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John 08.28.08 at 2:51 pm

Great book!

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calebo 08.28.08 at 2:57 pm

Glad for the comments you guys.

Keep them coming!

With Love :)
Caleb

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Tom 02.08.09 at 7:00 pm

I realize I am a few months behind on commenting, but I did enjoy the reading! I have been teaching God’s grace for about 4 years. The one thing that saddens me is to see people I love and respect reject the very truth that Paul spent his Christian life talking about. I am a person who needs to simplify things as much as possible so even I can understand. I am convinced there are two lenses in which one can interpret the Bible: religion or relationship! I grew up using the former. I have recently come to understand that God is pure relationship in and of Himself. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit have always been, they are eternal. When Adam and Eve fell in the garden, they ushered in the age of religion. God used religion to exhaust man’s effort to “be good.” Praise God, Jesus came and put an end to that exhausting way of living. I now interpret God’s word through “relationship.” Through relationship, there is no scripture that sheds a bad light on the “exchanged life” as so many grace teachers call it. God’s grace brings freedom! That freedom makes it possible for me to “be good.” I love reading the Bible, I love going to church, I love discipline, I even love “good works,” but I do not do any of these things because I have to in order to have a relationship with God. I do these things because of Christ in me! What is so hard to understand?

Grace and Peace!

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Donna 03.25.09 at 5:54 pm

I am so legalistically entrenched that I can’t seem to get the Grace Walk into myself. I can’t seem to get myself out of the way.
I know for sure God does not want His children fighting among themselves – over doctrine, over grace, over lists of sins, etc.
Unfortunately, no denomination seems to trust the Holy Spirit to teach and remind his children what is important for them to know. I empathize with author Steve who could only have come to this surrender by earnestly having tried to walk by Biblical laws as he perceived them. I empathize with the critic who is so fearful the Grace Walk will excuse believers from Biblical quest and creating their own God other than the One revealed in the Word. I empathize with the defender who has tried to present a balance.
I’m a frustrated Christian of fifty some years. Only recently have I heard of the GraceWalk – freedom from my inadequacy to please my Lord.
The fact is: truth will always have a close counterfeit. Some people will always hear truth and filter it though their own understanding. So, some may choose to take Steve’s teaching as license to use their own fleshly standards by which to live – whether they be the fleshly standards of the world or the fleshly standards of religiosity. That certainly is nothing new. Others may choose to jump on board only to unwittingly create a new “religion” to serve. Disciples in Christ’s day did the same – some to continue to grow and others to fall away.
Despite all of our best efforts to criticize or defend Steve, it will be the Holy Spirit who will enlighten – not our logical treatises.
When I read Grace Walk it never occurred to me that grace was to replace Scripture. No one can expect to walk in the grace of Jesus without knowing first who He is, what He did, how He loved, and most especially how we are inadequate to do it ourselves. My understanding is that biblical knowledge must precede, but not limit, a walk with Christ. Jesus himself said, “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth” (John 16:12-13).
Perhaps the critic is unable to “bear them now.” Pray for him, and me, and all who have accepted religion as a counterfeit for walking in Christ. I have not been able to embrace the Grace Walk except intellectually. But, I am expecting the Holy Spirit to get me there – in His time.
Just thoughts,
Donna

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Bud 06.07.09 at 7:59 pm

Thanks for the rebuttal. I thought it was great! I believe it all boils down to the comparison between the Old and the New Covenants. The Law of Moses which includes the whole law, including the 10 Commandments is contrasted with the Spirit of Christ in 2 Corinthians. The two cannot be combined. God will not share his glory with anyone and Jesus is the glory of God..

2 Corinthians 6-11
6Who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.7But if the MINISTRY OF DEATH IN LETTERS ENGRAVED IN STONE ( I know of only one thing that was engraved in stone, the 10 Commandments), came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory? 9 For if THE MINISTRY OF CONDEMNATION has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory. 10 For indeed what had glory, in this case has no glory because of the glory that surpasses it. 11 FOR IF THAT WHICH FADES AWAY was with glory, much more that which remains is in glory. 12 Therefore having such a hope, we use great boldness in our speech,13 and are not like Moses, who used to put a veil over his face so that the sons of Israel would not look intently at the end of what was fading away.14 But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, but it is removed in Christ. 15 But to this day whenever Moses (The Law) is read, a veil lies over their heart; 16but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

The translation in verse. 11 is not completely accurate. It leads one to think that the Old Covenant is “fading away” but if something is fading away it is not completely gone.
Examine these alternate translations:

11) for if that which is being made useless (Youngs Literal Translation)
11) For if that annulled (Darby Translation)
11) and if that that is voided (Wycliff New Testament)
11) For if what was being brought to an end came (English Standard Translation)
11) If that law which disappeared came with glory (New Century version)

The law isn’t fading away, it’s gone, we are now under the New Covenant
the Spirit of Christ. We don’t need rules any more HE, love is the fulfillment of the law.

Notice that the Moral Law is called the ministry that brings death and condemnation. It is also referred in Galatians as the yoke of bondage. The age of the Law, the Ten Commandments, the school master, the unreasonable husband, the thing which, in Romans 7, Paul describes as making sin exceedingly sinful. The power, the booster rocket for sin is the Law (1 Corinthians 15:56). So why do we continue to cling to that which has served its purpose in pointing us to Christ and has been voided by God in the life of the believer?

God has provided everything that we will ever need in Christ. HE has become unto us our wisdom and our righteousness and our sanctification. IN HIM are hidden all of the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. He is everything we need for life and godliness. It’s all because we are IN CHRIST and CHRIST is in us. The creator of the world, the one who had to humble himself to enter the created order lives in us and HE, the living water flows out of our inner most being to produce the fruit of His Spirit. What else do we need…. a set of rules?… when we have life himself living in and through us. All praise, honor and glory belong to HIM alone. Thank you father for the greatest gift of all, Jesus, our life, our hope our peace, our security, our everything!!!!

Paul said to the church in Galatia, “that if I rebuild what I once destroyed I make myself a law breaker. For through the law I died to the law that I might live unto GOD.” There is only one way to live unto God, that is to die to the law, you own human efforts and attempts to please God and let Christ live his life through you.

The church has lost its moorings, it has left its first love. Jesus is our first love. He is all we need.

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Richard Selby 07.14.09 at 1:20 pm

I haven’t found a Christian book on the market that I couldn’t find fault with in one way or another. I can’t believe that some stuffed shirt that’s so full of knowledge couldn’t write something better, it’s so easy to pick things apart, it’s quite another thing to be inspired to write something better. I completely understand McVey’s point and with the common sense the Lord has given me this book has been a wonderful source to be renewed and regenerated. I’m certain that really upsets the original reviewer. It’s too bad we can’t always see the good things that are wrapped up in the treasures God gives us. I’ve truly been blessed by this book, my life in Christ is more committed
and full because of it. Isn’t that wonderful?

Respectfully,

Richard Selby

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laws lawson 07.15.09 at 5:35 pm

ya, you’re a WRITER (liberal/humanist) and certainly no theologian.

Don’t go where you have no business going. Sick with your fiction. That is your world so just stay there.

Bet you have tattoos and piercings and your wife or partner wears cropped off hair and makeup?

Ew, how “legalistic”

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laws 07.17.09 at 3:08 pm

typical lukewarm anti-scripturalist. Read your bible sheeple, not the Shackshit.

retards.

Pursue holiness – w/o which NO ONE will see God”

oops – that’s the bible

Shackshit/The Message followers

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kim farough 08.05.09 at 3:55 am

your book Grace Rules totally changed my life. I was raised in a church where leagalism was taught. I lnew that there was no way that I could impress God or even get him to love me. there was always the possibility of not being perfect enough, haveing enough faith, or trust enough that i could not be sure of my salvation. no matter how many songs we sang (for instance “what a friend we have in Jesus”) could i really believe that he was my friend or that he loved me. I knew that I could never be “perfect” so why bother trying? One morning i was flipping through the chanels on t.v. and Joyce Meyers happend to be on. it was the one about leagleism in the church. Well that got me started thinking and not long after that my mom gave me your “grace rules” book. i have not been the same since. i am now free and loving God and living a joy filled life without a ton of bricks on me. i have felt so realieved and feel like i can finally breathe! Now i want to live for God instead of have to! i have grown so much and have actually touched some lives around me for the first time. thankyou so much for sharing your words of wisdom (which i know came from God). i will be praying for you and all those lives you have touched and those who need touching (see above). kim

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Tessy 09.07.09 at 1:03 am

So glad you wrote the rebuttal! I have been traumatised all my life by religion and know how it binds and imprisons. Just as you start to experience real freedom along comes some theologian with all their isms and ologies to “teach” you that you’re in some sort of spiritual peril and danger.

May God’s blessings abound to you!

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calebo 09.08.09 at 3:21 pm

@ “Laws” (both of them): Don’t have a wife … and … everything I share is from the Bible :)

@ Kim: it’s a great book! But I’m Not Steve McVey — he can be found here: http://stevemcvey.com

@ Tessy: Bless you too :)

Love,
CAleb

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calebo 09.08.09 at 3:31 pm

@ Bud: You’re correct sir! The old law is dead :) and we have everything we need in Christ!

Love,
Caleb

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calebo 09.08.09 at 3:46 pm

Thank you for your thoughts Donna :)

Love
Caleb

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ks 01.11.10 at 11:58 pm

Love the rebuttal, reviews and banter.
I never read the book by Steve but I definitely know legalism and the law.
We were beaten to a bloody pulp by my father because he believed ’spare the rod and spoil the child’. We were ostracized in school as children because we had different hair styles and clothes. We were told that God would allow something bad to happen to us if we weren’t good. If we didn’t read our Bibles and say our prayers every day God would be disappointed in us and punish. If we didn’t go to prayer meetings on Wednesdays, Youth on Fridays and twice on Sundays in our best clothes God would not like us. Later in life I’d feel guilty if I skipped out on worship team practice or took a break from playing on Sunday.
It’s taken me over thirty years to be released from this bondage of religion and I’ll tell you, without a doubt, I’d rather err on the side of Grace than on the side of the law. The yoke is so much lighter!
Let’s think, child of God or slave? I pick child. Today I’m a father and when I look at my children it reminds me of my heavenly Father and how much he loves me. He cleans my diapers when I soil myself. He watches me struggle as I learn to walk and then run. And when I fall, picks me up, bandages my scrapes and cuts and sends me off again. He would die for me (wait,… He DID!) That’s how I look at my two sons and because I’m created in His image I know that’s how He looks at me. A child of the Creator of the universe, God, Yaweh, Yeshua, Jesus, Abba and pappa.
When I was delivered from the yoke and bondage of religion and legalism. I suddenly became intensely aware of the presence of the Holy Spirit around me. Wherever I went He would follow. He’d talk to me, show me secrets, reveal to me the hearts of men (and women). I was having an intimate friendship with the Holy Ghost. What a great place to be and great way to live.
Once you’ve been in that place you NEVER want to go back to the law and religion. After all, is not religion just man’s invention to control the masses?
Besides, protestant, catholic, jewish, pentecostal, etc… who really cares except for the organization that gets our tithes? If we’re saved, someday we’ll all be in heaven with Yahweh (c’mon did that stir up anybodies Law bone?) . So, I’ll pick the less burdensome way. Yessss!

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Frank 09.24.10 at 2:06 am

Ok I get it!!! calebo is the good guy! lol

Naww, im sure the other guy is good in his sincerity… I know all to well that many are veiled from the New Covenant image that God sees us in, and as.
2 Cor 3:14-18

No worries. we plant wisely where the soil is ready to receive the seed!

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Frank 09.24.10 at 2:16 am

BTW Calebo,,, Re: Comment # 21…

Actually, the law didn’t die, we died to the law… Rom 7:4 being now free to marry another!
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death!

Amen

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