Comments on: It’s comments like these that make my day… http://greatchristianlife.com/its-comments-like-these-that-make-my-day How To Have a Great Christian Life Wed, 02 Jun 2010 03:41:45 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: calebo http://greatchristianlife.com/its-comments-like-these-that-make-my-day/comment-page-1#comment-145 calebo Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:59:39 +0000 http://greatchristianlife.com/?p=96#comment-145 I'd say... "Or do we (as we have become Masters at doing) make it all complicated and about keeping rules. " This is the best explanation :) With Love :) Caleb I’d say…

“Or do we (as we have become Masters at doing) make it all complicated and about keeping rules. ”

This is the best explanation :)

With Love :)
Caleb

]]> By: Kat http://greatchristianlife.com/its-comments-like-these-that-make-my-day/comment-page-1#comment-144 Kat Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:49:11 +0000 http://greatchristianlife.com/?p=96#comment-144 I'm still grappling this one. I know what the laws of our country say...and legally t o be recognized as married you need "the piece of paper". The Bible instructs us to recognize the authorities over us and obey them. I'm wondering if we are having trouble separating our "American" and our "Christianity", or if God really, truly puts all stock in that "piece of paper". That piece of paper does not mean you are making a covenant before God. It is obvious that piece of paper means nothing to the 60% of the population who gets divorced...and many of those divorces are within the church, too, by the way. Bottom line: If you want a marriage certificate, fine. But I'm wondering , if you choose not to and are okay with not receiving the priviliges set up by our government for married couples, and commit before God in a ceremony (with or without a pastor??) of two hearts becoming one, then can it really be that simple in God's eyes? Or do we (as we have become Masters at doing) make it all complicated and about keeping rules. And adding things that are "confining" to make us feel "safe". Thanks for bringing up the issue!!! I’m still grappling this one. I know what the laws of our country say…and legally t o be recognized as married you need “the piece of paper”. The Bible instructs us to recognize the authorities over us and obey them. I’m wondering if we are having trouble separating our “American” and our “Christianity”, or if God really, truly puts all stock in that “piece of paper”. That piece of paper does not mean you are making a covenant before God. It is obvious that piece of paper means nothing to the 60% of the population who gets divorced…and many of those divorces are within the church, too, by the way. Bottom line: If you want a marriage certificate, fine. But I’m wondering , if you choose not to and are okay with not receiving the priviliges set up by our government for married couples, and commit before God in a ceremony (with or without a pastor??) of two hearts becoming one, then can it really be that simple in God’s eyes? Or do we (as we have become Masters at doing) make it all complicated and about keeping rules. And adding things that are “confining” to make us feel “safe”. Thanks for bringing up the issue!!!

]]> By: Mark Vilen http://greatchristianlife.com/its-comments-like-these-that-make-my-day/comment-page-1#comment-124 Mark Vilen Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:35:05 +0000 http://greatchristianlife.com/?p=96#comment-124 Terence and Caleb, I'll wait to hear Caleb's explanation on sexuality. Terence, I agree with some of what you say. The modern church focuses too much on certain sins, and even sin in general. The sin IS just the symptom of the problem, you're right. It shows a lack of abiding in the vine . . . On another subject, you keep referring to marriage as a "piece of paper." Is a commitment/covenant in front of God just a "piece of paper?" The piece of paper is the legal aspect of marriage. If your assertion is that two people who are committed to one another in love, and are committed to each other sexually, they are married---well, I just can't go along with that. A public covenant before God means something. I know in my heart of hearts, in my spirit, that any sex outside of that covenant is sin. I'll be interested to see Caleb's explanation. Mark Terence and Caleb,
I’ll wait to hear Caleb’s explanation on sexuality.

Terence, I agree with some of what you say. The modern church focuses too much on certain sins, and even sin in general. The sin IS just the symptom of the problem, you’re right. It shows a lack of abiding in the vine . . .

On another subject, you keep referring to marriage as a “piece of paper.” Is a commitment/covenant in front of God just a “piece of paper?” The piece of paper is the legal aspect of marriage. If your assertion is that two people who are committed to one another in love, and are committed to each other sexually, they are married—well, I just can’t go along with that. A public covenant before God means something. I know in my heart of hearts, in my spirit, that any sex outside of that covenant is sin.

I’ll be interested to see Caleb’s explanation.

Mark

]]> By: Terence http://greatchristianlife.com/its-comments-like-these-that-make-my-day/comment-page-1#comment-121 Terence Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:40:15 +0000 http://greatchristianlife.com/?p=96#comment-121 Mark I don’t think that you quite understood my comment. Sorry if I didn’t make it clear. For the record I believe in marriage. I just don’t believe that you have to have a piece of paper to be married in the eyes of God. I am not trying to promote “fornicatin’ ” I think that we might have a few differences in how we define things here and yet we probably agree on the importance of marriage, family and etc… I am also not trying to sell people on ‘smoking, sex and drinking and drugs’. But I do believe that there is way, way, way too much focus on these types of problems in the church world today. I was merely trying to point out that in my opinion that this is like trying to lop of the top of the weed instead of going to the root. I don’t really think that it is going to take care of the problem. A lack of love is the problem. Jesus summed up the solution to the problem really well. Love God, Love your neighbor. I love you Mark—Terence. Mark I don’t think that you quite understood my comment. Sorry if I didn’t make it clear. For the record I believe in marriage. I just don’t believe that you have to have a piece of paper to be married in the eyes of God. I am not trying to promote “fornicatin’ ” I think that we might have a few differences in how we define things here and yet we probably agree on the importance of marriage, family and etc…

I am also not trying to sell people on ‘smoking, sex and drinking and drugs’. But I do believe that there is way, way, way too much focus on these types of problems in the church world today. I was merely trying to point out that in my opinion that this is like trying to lop of the top of the weed instead of going to the root. I don’t really think that it is going to take care of the problem. A lack of love is the problem. Jesus summed up the solution to the problem really well. Love God, Love your neighbor. I love you Mark—Terence.

]]> By: calebo http://greatchristianlife.com/its-comments-like-these-that-make-my-day/comment-page-1#comment-116 calebo Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:41:43 +0000 http://greatchristianlife.com/?p=96#comment-116 Hey Mark, I PROMISE I'll address the subject of Christian Sexuality very soon! It's actually quite interesting what the Bible ACTUALLY SAYS about sex... and what Church tradition teaches. Thanks for your comment though, and I promise I'll clear up any confusion soon about where I stand... what I believe... what the Bible says... etc. With Love :) Caleb Hey Mark,

I PROMISE I’ll address the subject of Christian Sexuality very soon!

It’s actually quite interesting what the Bible ACTUALLY SAYS about sex… and what Church tradition teaches.

Thanks for your comment though, and I promise I’ll clear up any confusion soon about where I stand… what I believe… what the Bible says… etc.

With Love :)
Caleb

]]> By: Mark Vilen http://greatchristianlife.com/its-comments-like-these-that-make-my-day/comment-page-1#comment-115 Mark Vilen Wed, 23 Jul 2008 03:42:40 +0000 http://greatchristianlife.com/?p=96#comment-115 I'm disappointed with your endorsement of this man's comment, Caleb. I'm not sure why you admire it. I liked your website, but it sounds like you're endorsing sex outside of marriage. If that's not the case, let me know your explanation. I don't think what this man describes is grace---it's what Steve McVey would call "disgrace." Hope to hear from you. Mark I’m disappointed with your endorsement of this man’s comment, Caleb. I’m not sure why you admire it. I liked your website, but it sounds like you’re endorsing sex outside of marriage. If that’s not the case, let me know your explanation.

I don’t think what this man describes is grace—it’s what Steve McVey would call “disgrace.”

Hope to hear from you.

Mark

]]> By: Jessica http://greatchristianlife.com/its-comments-like-these-that-make-my-day/comment-page-1#comment-107 Jessica Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:15:12 +0000 http://greatchristianlife.com/?p=96#comment-107 I must say that when I read these words that Terence wrote..."problems in the world today are not rooted in their smoking, or drinking or even having sex. They are rooted in their lack of love for God and their fellowmen." I completely agreed. Now if only other could see it that way. Also Caleb, I really enjoy reading what you write, please keep it coming! I must say that when I read these words that Terence wrote…”problems in the world today are not rooted in their smoking, or drinking or even having sex. They are rooted in their lack of love for God and their fellowmen.” I completely agreed. Now if only other could see it that way.
Also Caleb, I really enjoy reading what you write, please keep it coming!

]]> By: Mark Vilen http://greatchristianlife.com/its-comments-like-these-that-make-my-day/comment-page-1#comment-105 Mark Vilen Sat, 19 Jul 2008 01:02:34 +0000 http://greatchristianlife.com/?p=96#comment-105 Caleb, I agree with the "Churchianity" thing in most respects, but don't agree with Terence's take on marriage being just "a piece of paper." It's a covenant, a commitment to God between two people. If two people living together and having sex equals marriage, then what is "sexual immorality" (fornication)? And how long must two people be together before it is considered a marriage? I'm a gracewalker, but as Christ's divine nature is in me, and His laws are written on my heart, I know without question that sex outside of the covenant of marriage is sin. That's not my learning from a church tradition that tells me that it's the Spirit of Christ speaking within my heart. Mark Caleb,
I agree with the “Churchianity” thing in most respects, but don’t agree with Terence’s take on marriage being just “a piece of paper.” It’s a covenant, a commitment to God between two people. If two people living together and having sex equals marriage, then what is “sexual immorality” (fornication)? And how long must two people be together before it is considered a marriage? I’m a gracewalker, but as Christ’s divine nature is in me, and His laws are written on my heart, I know without question that sex outside of the covenant of marriage is sin. That’s not my learning from a church tradition that tells me that it’s the Spirit of Christ speaking within my heart.

Mark

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